Victor Frisbee lives on

On the Romenesko letters page today, former L.A. journalist Jane Birnbaum refers to the legend of Victor Frisbee, a fictitious character who used to show up in Rose Parade stories every January. USC professor Ed Cray picks up the tale:

Jane Birnbaum has the general biography of the late Victor Frisbee more or less correct. Frisbee appeared each January 2 in the Los Angeles Examiner's lead story about the annual Rose Parade, furnishing great quotes cooked by whatever poor sumbitch drew rewrite on New Year's Day. Frisbee, various identified as a visitor from Iowa, a plumber(?), and, as Jane recalled, a world traveler, died on Monday, January 8, 1962. (On that day Hearst folded the morning Examiner, founded in 1903, into his afternoon Herald-Express in an unacknowledged arrangement with the Los Angeles Times' Chandler family.) At the bottom of column eight on page 1, in bold face type, the make-up editor tapped out a one-line obit. Memory serving, it read something like: "LOS ANGELES (Jan. 8): Victor Frisbee, noted world traveler and bon-vivant, died here today. He was 59."

One of my favorite irreverent Rose Parade tales was the time an LAT science writer pressed into parade duty calculated the route area and concluded there was no way a million people -- the figure always used -- could fit. I'm pretty certain he wasn't invited to cover the parade again.

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The Pasadena Star-News also used to have editors who insisted that there was no way 1,000,000 people could line the parade route.

The "party line" is that 1,000,000 people come to the Pasadena area because of the parade and game, but not necessarily watch the parade.

Posted by: Bob Timmermann at December 17, 2003 10:19 PM

Years ago while I was at the Daily News, I heard a story, perhaps apocryphal, that all the writers covering the Rose Bowl one year made a bet about who could get the word "pitchfork" earliest in their game stories. Can anyone confirm whether they have even heard this story, or was I completely snowed?

Posted by: Jon at December 18, 2003 09:32 AM

Sorry to have to set everyone straight here, but such is the lot of the editor of the Pasadena Star-News: me. A) Irreverent or not, it was not an L.A. Times science writer pressed into parade duty -- having been a Times copy boy, that is not a remotely possible real-life situation, by the way -- who noted the impossibility of 1 million people at the Rose Parade. It was a Pasadena Star-News reporter, John Fleck, who in the late 1980s roped my stepfather, Al Hibbs, a Caltech/JPL mathematician and physicist, into doing the very simple arithmetic that proves that really no more than 400,000 people can fit along the parade route. (I was the editorial-page editor at the time and had nothing to do with the actual assignment.) Perhaps the source of the myth about the Times is that Al's casual theory that there was no way 1 million people attend the parade was first mentioned in his friend Jack Smith's column in the Times. But when John pressed Al to actually produce the math for a front-page story in the Star-News, they collaborated, adding up all the people who buy tickets in the grandstands, then giving a VERY generous allowance of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder 10 deep along both sides of the 5.5 mile route, then adding in an even more generous extra 100,000 people who might be watching from office buildings etc. along Colorado Boulevard to get to the 500,000 spectators figure. Silly as it is, disproved as it is, the Tournament of Roses still uses the 1 million estimate in its press releases for this coming year's parade. There is no ''party line'' about a million coming to the area: the press release, citing ''law enforcement estimates,'' says 1 million attend the parade itself. The Pasadena Police Department says it has no such estimater; all the same, its spokesman last year came up with the ludicrously detailed figure of 952,000 attendees when our reporter asked for a crowd count last Jan. 1 for our annual Rose Parade special edition, published this and every year on Jan. 2. As to the post that there used to be editors at the Pasadena Star-News who also disputed the figure, well, this is to show that the editor still very much disputes it, as recently as my column of this past Sunday, Dec. 14. You could look it up: www.pasadenastarnews.com. All best wishes, Larry Wilson, editor, Pasadena Star-News

Posted by: larry wilson at December 19, 2003 02:29 PM
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