LGF is a Los Angeles-based warblog by Charles Johnson that generates 3,000 comments a day and invites strong opinions about the war, Islam and questioners of Administration policy. Critics consider LGF one of the blogosphere's more virulent Arab-bashing hate sites, and think that decent advertisers should shun it and intelligent bloggers should delink it. The debate about LGF has raged for years but seems to be flaring hotter than usual this week. At Winds of Change, another L.A. blogger, Armed Liberal, has opened a lively exchange in which Johnson joins in and explains why a poster who accused him of promoting hate speech was banned from his site. The organizer of Winds of Change has a separate post saying why he won't delink Little Green Footballs, while Cory Doctorow at Boing Boing has posted in support of a blogger who says her site was attacked in a "jihad" by LGF loyalists. (In the latest Technorati 100 of most-linked blogs, LGF ranks #27, second among L.A.-based blogs if you count Boing Boing, which is #4.)
Bigots are very rarely satisfied confining their bile to just one group. That his focus, at the moment, is on purported Arab anti-semitism means little, since the skinheads who frequent that site can just as easily turn their rancor on other people.
Posted by: Steve Smith at April 8, 2004 02:36 PMCathy Seipp thinks the LA Times is too far left but Little Green Footballs is fair and balanced.
Posted by: joseph at April 8, 2004 02:51 PMNo, I think LGF has a point of view. It's hardly neutral. But that anyone actually thinks that an anti-anti-Semitic site...which these days, I suppose, means being right of center...is therefore a "hate site" shows the kind of problem that we face now.
Posted by: Cathy Seipp at April 8, 2004 07:00 PMIt's definitely a hate site. Sure, Charles doesn't post hateful articles, but he runs what ammounts to an online pub that caters to some of the web's most vicious racists. Sure, Charles doesn't make those comments, but he hosts them and allows them. Also, anti-semitic comments are quickly deleted (this has been documented) while anti-Arab comments are part and parcel of the scene.
Charles may not dirty his hands in the filth, but his site is the gathering point for racists, so what does that make him?
Posted by: ted stein at April 8, 2004 07:10 PMTed Stein: You need to expand your blog reading is you think LGF is an online pub that caters to some of the web's most vicious racists.
It's an open forum, and as such, will attract trolls. But the "regulars" are by and large, regular folks who support Israel, the US and agree the Islamic extremists are a real and present danger to both nations.
I'm happy to include myself among them.
-Joy
Posted by: Joy Rothke at April 9, 2004 07:51 AMI agree with half of the comments above. LGF truly is a bigoted hate site.
What the world needs is a non-bigoted love site!
A site that would feature our wonderful encounters with Islamic political leaders, and that would give a forum for our so-called "enemies" to air their grievances. Rather than asking, "Why do they want to kill the West?", let's ask "Isn't it all our fault for not loving them enough?" A site that would present this true, love-filled report rather than this hateful, false, and bigoted interpretation.
Peace!
Posted by: The Lonewacko Blog at April 9, 2004 11:15 AMI have no problem with what CJ himself posts. He is clearly not hateful or bigoted. In many ways he is providing a valuable service by providing important news that is largely overlooked or underplayed by the mainstream media. He is on the cutting edge of what this war is all about it.
But his commenters are another matter. There are clearly hateful, bigoted people posting in his comments. And I fault Charles for not doing more to control that. If he can IP ban people who disagree with his POV, he can just as well ban the skinheads and idiots.
Posted by: Howard Owens at April 9, 2004 01:17 PMI didn't know it was a blogger's duty to throw his dead hand of censorship upon his blogsite.
When someone posts an outrageously racist item on an LGF thread, it's best to answer it and call the poster what they are. When someone posts about how great the Elon Plan is, I counter-post by comparing it to South African apartheid.
The web is not supposed to be the equivalent of a letters to the editor page in a boring newspaper.
Posted by: Gordon at April 12, 2004 02:51 PMLGF is too pro-Israeli for skinheads to handle. Anyone who knows the first thing about the skinhead movement knows that.
Posted by: Aaron at May 25, 2004 08:46 PMI'm a refugee from the Middle East. NO, not a Palestinian refugee, a Jewish refugee who had to flee Egypt, my country for generations, only because of my religion. Another 900,000 Jews in nine other Arab countries also were "etnically cleansed".
Bu, it anyone dares criticize the anti semitism in the Arab world, he is accused of being a "racist".
Only left of center idealogues do not condemn the Arab world.
Joseph Abdel wahed
Please. Most savvy web folks know that LGF in general and Charles Johnson in particular has been guilty of utterly juvenile behavior, and his site is basically one huge anti-Arab hate-fest. Nobody really takes either he or those who post there seriously, except to laugh in his face when he and his "minions" attempt to childishly and cowardly dictate what other bloggers post. He and his supporters are jokes.
Posted by: Byron McCall at July 16, 2004 07:58 PMYep, it is TRUE. All of it. Pointing out what Arabs/Muslims/Europeans/others say/do is racist, because there right attitude is to ... well, I don't know, but we really shouldn't point these inconvenient facts out, should we.
Posted by: steve miller at July 17, 2004 06:35 AM

Well let's take a look at what he has up today. Links to reports on a possible bomb in a Jewish graveyard in Montreal; how Saudi funding of U.S. college programs leads to anti-Israel feeling on campus; Islamic terrorism in the Phillipines; some letters from soldiers in Iraq; indications (with a quote from a talk radio industry magazine) that Air America is not doing so well in the ratings; a short piece critical of Kerry.
This is "Arab-bashing?" This is a "hate" site? I understand that he's not with the program, guys, and I wouldn't expect LGF to be popular in Saudi Arabia, or in most U.S. newsrooms. And yes, LGF has been instrumental in bringing to light the virulent anti-Semitism of the Arab press, via the impolite folks at MEMRI.org. But really, I think your reach exceeds your grasp here.
Posted by: Cathy Seipp at April 8, 2004 11:28 AM