KFI's "John and Ken Show" is holding five local Republican members of Congress hostage in a fashion over illegal immigration. The talk show hosts are mobilizing their large-for-radio audience to choose a Republican to target for defeat in November to protest immigration policy — then demanding that each potential "political human sacrifice" (their term) come on the show to defend themselves before the final victim is chosen. "Fulfilling their obligation" to John and Ken, as the team's website puts it. So far, Reps. Mary Bono, Darrell Issa, Chris Cox, and Dana Rohrabacher have done the hosts' bidding, but John and Ken seem unhappy that David Dreier hasn't and urge their listeners to persuade him:
Be sure to let Congressman David Dreier know that coming on the show and addressing illegal immigration is more important than planning “Apple Martini and Bowling” parties.
The Washington Times, covering the spectacle today, says that Dreier is "negotiating" to come on the show. In the story, John and Ken say they are trying to deliver a "wake-up call to Republican leaders who ignore their constituents' pleas for stronger border enforcement."
A "large-for-radio" audience is pretty large, Kevin. Granted, it's not blogging, but...
Posted by: Cathy Seipp at August 5, 2004 03:00 PMActually, whenever I've looked I've been impressed by how *small* the numbers are for local radio, for the actual number of ears listening to a specific station in any given 15-minute time span. I don't remember the numbers, but I do remember that ratings champ KFI gets about 4% of the audience that actually has the radio on (not the potential market size). Impressive within the radio world, where every point counts, but not so much in an absolute sense.
Eh, if bloggers are the comparison, my point is already made...
Posted by: Kevin Roderick at August 5, 2004 03:20 PMPoor Republicans, first beat up by the mean ol' liberal media, and now being beat up by the mean ol' conservative media...boo hoo.
None of them should be too worried. Sure the radio listeners will get pissed, but with the primaries over, almost all the named GOP congressfolk will get re-elected regardless of what they say. In a partisan year like this, I seriously doubt the hardcore GOP voter is going to go down the ticket and stop and say "HEY! I gotta vote for the Democrat in this race to teach 'em a lesson.."
Or, is this just a not-so-thinly veiled attempt by Republican lap dogs J&K to give all these GOP candidates lots of free radio air time, which their Democrats opponents in the November election can't afford to match? Those two idiots make me sick.
Posted by: davidloween at August 5, 2004 03:55 PMFunny. I'd call political pressure applied against immigration law enforcement officers and officials to release illegal immigrants that they have in custody to be a "stunt," but I guess it depends on what side of the political fence you're on when it comes to enforcing our nations laws.
Exactly how are congressmen "held hostage" for being pressured to recognize and enforce federal and state laws?
Laws we can assume were put on the books for reasons that are conducive to quality of life for americans legal citizens..
I think Kevins' politial underwear is showing, and the skidmarks are not a pretty sight.
Skid marks. That's a new one.
Posted by: Kevin Roderick at August 5, 2004 07:38 PMBut unfortunately, your left wing commentary posing as "news" is not so new.
Posted by: Del at August 5, 2004 08:55 PM
Um, when was anyone drafted to read this site?
I'm sure Michelle Malkin has plenty of bandwith that is wide open... and maybe "Del" will enjoy her right wing commentary posing as "history"
After all, concentration camps are good for you!
Posted by: Joe Angeleno at August 5, 2004 10:17 PMDel, you're blinded by the typical ideologue's fog. It's akin (loosely, I admit) to listening to Phil Hendrie and getting mad at the guests, while the rest of us are laughing at the callers who fall for the gag. My post isn't about illegal immigration. It's about the radio stunt, which for all I know is just another way to sucker people into geting their froth going so they'll listen to KFI. I don't know how John and Ken actually feel about illegals, and you don't either -- and I for one don't care how they feel.
It's the media angle, man. Anybody who comes here much knows there's no way I'd venture into the actual merits of an complex issue like immigration, pro or con, on the Internet.
Posted by: Kevin Roderick at August 5, 2004 10:26 PMI like your answer, Kevin, and I agree with it to a point. However, Phil Hendrie never assisted a State Governor out the door.
J & K, if memory serves, had a large hand in getting the ball rolling on that one, and keeping it going, so if you're saying that accomplishing that is akin to Phil Hendrie arguing with himself, or Rush Limbaugh's arguably drugged up rhetoric, or whichever media entertainer you want to mention, I don't know if I buy it.
I mean, using your point of view, you might say Gov. Davis got super "punked."
"We're gonna get Davis kicked out of office, get him replaced with an over-the-hill actor, using a comical accent, and see how the country reacts, next on John and Ken's 'Punked!'"
I could spend more time stating why I think an event like that (and the current "gimmck") might not be happening simply for ratings, but then again, you might already believe that "Network" was a documentary. Or worse, Farenheit 911.
OK
Posted by: Kevin Roderick at August 6, 2004 12:10 AMFWIW, radio advertising dollars in the US are about 3x that of Internet advertising dollars. Radio has been stuck between $20-30 billion annually this decade, with different projections every quarter--Internet has climbed from $3.5 bil to probably $9 bil this year.
But where the Internet kills radio in general is in bang for ad buck. About 35% of radio's audience are income-limited consumers--not true of the Internet, where almost half are surfing the net whilst goofing off at good paying careers.
Radio ad orgs now tout themselves as the best way to appeal to a local audience; still, we are only weeks away when LAObserved (or MartiniRepublic, for that matter) will routinely feature a Sit&Sleep tile.
There's a reason entities like e-trade, Quicken, Ameritrade, the Motley Fool and even the University of Phoenix became well-known brands. The Internet is highly effective as a branding medium, and these people were there branding away when it was dirt cheap.
Posted by: joseph at August 6, 2004 01:31 AMYou guys take Sit&Sleep. I'm going for for Paul's TV and Video, because as we all know: Paul is the KING of big screen.
Posted by: Kevin Roderick at August 6, 2004 02:23 AMRegarding the "stunt", why stop at one.
"...no way I'd venture into the actual merits of an complex issue like immigration, pro or con, on the Internet."
The issue is illegal immigration, and it is not "complex": either you believe existing immigration law serves a purpose and ought to be enforced, or you don't.
Posted by: EH at August 6, 2004 06:04 AMGood to know it's so simple...
So if Bush is shown the door in November, do we blame Michael Moore and Al Franken or give them credit?
I love this site!
Posted by: Kevin Hunter at August 6, 2004 09:15 AMIt's pretty hard not to know how John and Ken actually feel about illegals.
Posted by: Cathy Seipp at August 6, 2004 09:44 AMKevin has sponsors now, so there are a number of issues he can't discuss honestly anymore.
The list will grow, depending on his sponsor's needs.
Try it. Ask him about political issues pertaining to Israel! lol.
Glad I helped you realize it. Now maybe I can try to help you out in another way...
Please work on writing illegal immigration (see?, it's not so difficult) when this is what is (obviously) meant, rather than "immigration", which is what you (inaccurately) wrote.
Posted by: EH at August 6, 2004 10:17 AMPlease work on writing illegal immigration...
"Undocumented immigration" is far more accurate.
Posted by: joseph at August 6, 2004 10:41 AM"Undocumented immigration" is far more accurate.
"Undocumented?" What happened, did their documentation get lost in the mail? Did they drop it somewhere?
Or, did they enter or stay illegally?
The U.S. Code (i.e., the law of the United States) uses the phrase "illegal alien." The use of "undocumented" is Carter-era PCspeak.
As far as the larger issue of enforcing the immigration laws is concerned, the Bush administration (and previous administrations) has been extremely weak.
There is almost no workplace enforcement, Asa Hutchinson caves under pressure from Mexico and others to stop minor immigration sweeps, the Bush administration tries to get Matricula Consular cards accepted, etc. etc. (Matricula Consular cards are only of use to illegal aliens and the FBI testified before Congress that they were a security risk.)
So, there is a little bit of room for improvement.
Posted by: The Lonewacko Blog at August 6, 2004 12:07 PMWith respect to immigration, a number of powerful interests usually associated with the Republican Party -- agribusiness and major corporate interests in the service sector -- seem quite happy with the way things are.
But J&K are expert demagogues who know their audience well and know exactly which buttons to push. This is a stunt and KFI's owners are fat and happy.
That's right, Tim. And Al Franken is an esteemed pundit.
Posted by: Del at August 6, 2004 10:55 PMJoseph, etrade and ameritrade were well known to aspiring daytraders who saw their endless ads on CNBC during the market boom. Hell, CNBC was practically an ad for those companies on it's own. Quicken was well known as the number one personal finance software before the internet was a popular entity, and advertised heavily in computer magazines, radio, and TV.
Expedia, Priceline, Yahoo, all advertised heavily on TV and radio when the internet was still getting it's act together.
None made their bones primarily from internet advertising.
Let's have some better examples.


Mary Bono could not have been dumber. Who voted for her and why?
Posted by: Rachel at August 5, 2004 02:00 PM